[c350ia] RE: c350ia digest, Vol 1 #384 - 2 msgs
tom schnauzer
tomschnauzer@hotmail.com
Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:46:29 +0930
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Re sea-water running into the bilge - when replacing the speed transducer p=
ut a wooden bung in the hole that goes through to the rest of the bilge=3B =
have a big sponge handy=2C and a small bucket. sponge up the small amount =
of sea-water that gets in=2C (make sure you take the bung back out - I keep=
it in the inspection hatch low down on the starboard side=2C with the spon=
ge.) Keeps sea water out of the rest of the bilge. I still have a recurr=
ing problem with freshwater in the bilge after rain. Partly solved by plu=
gging up the tube that takes electric cables down through the pressure post=
=2C (I have a furling main) Under heavy rain the water could not get away=
from the drain holes at the bottom of the mast. Water is still getting i=
n from up forward somewhere - some say the captsan=2C may have poor seals a=
round it=2C but it is hard to get at. Any suggestions. The small amount =
of fresh water left after the bilge pump has done its job goes off after a =
while=2C so it must be sponged out on a regular basis which is a bit tireso=
me.
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Tom McGrathWhisper II #278
Sydney Australia
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net=2C "'C350 List'" <c350ia@catalina350.net>> > This is a multi-part messa=
ge in MIME format.> > --Boundary_(ID_SystA0KB2wm7ULOG6LyJZg)> Content-type:=
text/plain=3B charset=3Dus-ascii> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT> > Hi Jo=
hn=2C> > > > II put the plug in my speed transducer and haven't looked back=
in four> years. If you have GPS set your speed gauge by SOG.> > > > Fair w=
inds=2C> > Ron> > ILENE Cat 350 #139> > > > _____ > > From: c350ia-admin@ca=
talina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] On> Behalf Of jjoc2005@=
comcast.net> Sent: Friday=2C June 20=2C 2008 4:20 PM> To: C350 List> Subjec=
t: [c350ia] Bilge Cleaner> > > > Let me start off by saying that my bilge h=
as not been=2C is not now=2C nor will> it ever be completely dry. If I vacu=
um it out and there is no rain=2C it's> close to being dry=2C but that is t=
he rare exception. Dryness is really not> my issue=3B cleanliness and elimi=
nation or significant reduction of foul smell> are the issues I would like =
to tackle.> > > > I don't know what your dealer told you about the speed tr=
ansducer=2C but> during my shakedown back in 2003=2C the dealer recommended=
that I pull the> transducer and replace it with the blank when the boat wa=
s not going to be> used. The reason for this was to prevent growth on the i=
mpeller. Thus for> most of the hundreds of times I've used the boat in the =
past five and> current season=2C I have done this. No matter how fast you d=
o this=2C seawater> gets into the bilge. As we all know=2C sea water contai=
ns many more> microorganisms than fresh water. I try to stay on top of this=
=2C purging the> bilge manually=2C and even using a shop vac but the proble=
m persists.> > > > I have tried a number of commercial products=2C but all =
seem to provide only> very temporary benefits. I am looking for your collec=
tive experience> regarding what commerical product works well for you=2C or=
what home brew> (diluted bleach solution?) you might use that is successfu=
l. Thanks in> advance for any help you can provide.> > > > John O'Connell> =
> "Second Wind" - Hull 84> > Annapolis> > > --Boundary_(ID_SystA0KB2wm7ULOG=
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rple>> > <div class=3DSection1>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 colo=
r=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:> 10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=
=3Bcolor:navy'>Hi John=2C<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>> > <p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:> 10.=
0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3Bcolor:navy'><o:p> =3B</o:p></span></font></p>=
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:> 10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3Bcolor:navy'>II put the plug =
in my speed transducer and> haven’=3Bt looked back in four years. =
=3B If you have GPS set your speed gauge> by SOG.<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:> 10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3Bcolor:navy'><o:p> =3B=
</o:p></span></font></p>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnav=
y face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:> 10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3Bcolo=
r:navy'>Fair winds=2C<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:> 10.0pt=
=3Bfont-family:Arial=3Bcolor:navy'>Ron<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>> > <p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:> 10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3Bcolor:navy'>ILENE Cat 350 #139<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></p>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy=
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:> 10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3Bcolor=
:navy'><o:p> =3B</o:p></span></font></p>> > <div>> > <div class=3DMsoNo=
rmal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font size=3D3> face=3D"Tim=
es New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>> > <hr size=3D2 width=3D"10=
0%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>> > </span></font></div>> > <p class=3DMso=
Normal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt=3B> =
font-family:Tahoma=3Bfont-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D=
2> face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Tahoma'> <st=
1:PersonName> w:st=3D"on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia-admin@catalina350.net [ma=
ilto:<st1:PersonName> w:st=3D"on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia-admin@catalina350=
.net] <b><span> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>jjoc2005=
@comcast.net<br>> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Frid=
ay=2C June 20=2C 2008 4:20> PM<br>> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:=
</span></b> C350 List<br>> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</sp=
an></b> [<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia]> Bilge Cleane=
r</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>> > </div>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=
=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:> 12.0pt'><o:p> =
=3B</o:p></span></font></p>> > <div>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3=
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:> 12.0pt'>Let me start o=
ff by saying that my bilge has not been=2C is not now=2C nor> will it ever =
be completely dry. =3B If I vacuum it out and there is no rain=2C> it's=
close to being dry=2C but that is the rare exception. =3B Dryness is> =
really not my issue=3B cleanliness and elimination or significant> reductio=
n =3Bof foul smell =3Bare the issues I would like to tackle.<o:p></=
o:p></span></font></p>> > </div>> > <div>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font siz=
e=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:> 12.0pt'> =3B<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>> > </div>> > <div>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><fo=
nt size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:> 12.0pt'>I d=
on't know what your dealer told you about the speed transducer=2C but> duri=
ng =3Bmy shakedown back in 2003=2C the dealer recommended that I pull t=
he> transducer and replace it with the blank when the boat was not going to=
be> used. =3B The reason for this was to prevent growth on the> impell=
er. =3B =3B Thus for most of the hundreds of times I've used the bo=
at> in the past five and current season=2C I have done this. =3B No mat=
ter how fast> you do this=2C seawater gets into the bilge. =3B As we al=
l know=2C sea water contains> many more microorganisms than fresh water.&nb=
sp=3B I try to stay on top of this=2C> purging the bilge manually=2C and ev=
en using a shop vac but the problem persists.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>>=
> </div>> > <div>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New=
Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:> 12.0pt'> =3B<o:p></o:p></span></font=
></p>> > </div>> > <div>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Tim=
es New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:> 12.0pt'>I have tried a number of c=
ommercial products=2C but all seem to provide> only very temporary benefits=
. =3B I am looking for your collective experience> regarding what comme=
rical product works well for you=2C or what home brew> (diluted bleach solu=
tion?) you might use that is successful. =3B Thanks in> advance for any=
help you can provide.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>> > </div>> > <div>> > <=
p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:> 12.0pt'> =3B<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>> > </div>> > <div=
>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:> 12.0pt'>John O'Connell<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>> > </=
div>> > <div>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roma=
n"><span style=3D'font-size:> 12.0pt'>"=3BSecond Wind"=3B - Hull 84=
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>> > </div>> > <div>> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
t1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3> face=3D"Times Ne=
w Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Annapolis</span></font></st1:plac=
e></st1:City><o:p></o:p></p>> > </div>> > </div>> > </body>> > </html>> > -=
-Boundary_(ID_SystA0KB2wm7ULOG6LyJZg)--> > --__--__--> > Message: 2> Date: =
Sat=2C 21 Jun 2008 08:08:39 -0400> From: "Andy Sumberg" <andy@sumberg.com>>=
Subject: RE: [c350ia] Bilge Cleaner> To: <jjoc2005@comcast.net>=2C "'C350 =
List'" <c350ia@catalina350.net>> Reply-to: <andy@sumberg.com>> > This is a =
multi-part message in MIME format.> > ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C8D376.=
04170BC0> Content-Type: text/plain=3B> charset=3D"us-ascii"> Content-Transf=
er-Encoding: 7bit> > John=2C> I too install and remove the transducer every=
time I take the boat out.> I change out the transducer while at my mooring=
which introduces less> water than while underway. Regardless=2C my bilge a=
lso always has some> water in it. I periodically use commercial bilge clean=
er (which smells> like pine-sol cleaner) and on occasion have been known to=
throw in some> bleach. Most of the time there is no real smell from the wa=
ter in the> bilge. One thing I do that has not been mentioned=2C is that wh=
en I put my> boat away after a sail=2C I slide the bilge cover board open a=
llowing more> air to circulate around the bilge while I'm off the boat. I a=
lways run> my bilge pump before each sail as additional water has accumulat=
ed since> I was last on the boat.> > Andy Sumberg> "Portland" #231> > -----=
Original Message-----> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-ad=
min@catalina350.net]> On Behalf Of jjoc2005@comcast.net> Sent: Friday=2C Ju=
ne 20=2C 2008 4:20 PM> To: C350 List> Subject: [c350ia] Bilge Cleaner> > > =
Let me start off by saying that my bilge has not been=2C is not now=2C nor>=
will it ever be completely dry. If I vacuum it out and there is no> rain=
=2C it's close to being dry=2C but that is the rare exception. Dryness> is =
really not my issue=3B cleanliness and elimination or significant> reductio=
n of foul smell are the issues I would like to tackle.> > I don't know what=
your dealer told you about the speed transducer=2C but> during my shakedow=
n back in 2003=2C the dealer recommended that I pull the> transducer and re=
place it with the blank when the boat was not going to> be used. The reason=
for this was to prevent growth on the impeller.> Thus for most of the hund=
reds of times I've used the boat in the past> five and current season=2C I =
have done this. No matter how fast you do> this=2C seawater gets into the b=
ilge. As we all know=2C sea water contains> many more microorganisms than f=
resh water. I try to stay on top of> this=2C purging the bilge manually=2C =
and even using a shop vac but the> problem persists.> > I have tried a numb=
er of commercial products=2C but all seem to provide> only very temporary b=
enefits. I am looking for your collective> experience regarding what commer=
ical product works well for you=2C or what> home brew (diluted bleach solut=
ion?) you might use that is successful.> Thanks in advance for any help you=
can provide.> > John O'Connell> "Second Wind" - Hull 84> Annapolis> > > --=
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Unicode MS" =3D> size=3D3D2>I too=3D20> install =3Band remove the trans=
ducer every time I take the boat out. I =3D> change=3D20> out the transduce=
r while at my mooring which introduces less water than =3D> while=3D20> und=
erway. Regardless=2C my bilge also always has some water in it. I =3D> peri=
odically=3D20> use commercial bilge cleaner (which smells like pine-sol cle=
aner) and on =3D> > occasion have been known to throw in some bleach. Most =
of the time there =3D> is no=3D20> real smell from the water in the bilge. =
One thing I do that has not been =3D> > mentioned=2C is that when I put my =
boat away after a sail=2C I slide the =3D> bilge cover=3D20> board open all=
owing more air to circulate around the bilge while I'm off =3D> the=3D20> b=
oat. I always run my bilge pump before each sail as additional water =3D> h=
as=3D20> accumulated since I was last on the boat.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>> <DI=
V><SPAN class=3D3D593215911-21062008><FONT face=3D3D"@Arial Unicode MS"=3D2=
0> size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN> =3B</DIV>> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D593215911-=
21062008><FONT face=3D3D"@Arial Unicode MS" =3D> size=3D3D2>Andy=3D20> Sumb=
erg</FONT></SPAN></DIV>> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D593215911-21062008><FONT face=
=3D3D"@Arial Unicode MS"=3D20> size=3D3D2>"Portland" #231</FONT></SPAN></DI=
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Dleft><FONT=3D20> face=3D3DTahoma size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR>=
<B>From:</B>=3D20> c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catali=
na350.net] =3D> <B>On=3D20> Behalf Of </B>jjoc2005@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:<=
/B> Friday=2C June 20=2C =3D> 2008 4:20=3D20> PM<BR><B>To:</B> C350 List<BR=
><B>Subject:</B> [c350ia] Bilge=3D20> Cleaner<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>> <DIV>Le=
t me start off by saying that my bilge has not been=2C is not =3D> now=2C n=
or=3D20> will it ever be completely dry. =3B If I vacuum it out and the=
re is =3D> no rain=2C=3D20> it's close to being dry=2C but that is the rare=
exception. =3B Dryness =3D> is=3D20> really not my issue=3B cleanlines=
s and elimination or significant=3D20> reduction =3Bof foul smell =
=3Bare the issues I would like to =3D> tackle.</DIV>> <DIV> =3B</DIV>> =
<DIV>I don't know what your dealer told you about the speed =3D> transducer=
=2C but=3D20> during =3Bmy shakedown back in 2003=2C the dealer recomme=
nded that I =3D> pull the=3D20> transducer and replace it with the blank wh=
en the boat was not going =3D> to be=3D20> used. =3B The reason for thi=
s was to prevent growth on the=3D20> impeller. =3B =3B Thus for mos=
t of the hundreds of times I've used =3D> the=3D20> boat in the past five a=
nd current season=2C I have done this. =3B No =3D> matter=3D20> how fas=
t you do this=2C seawater gets into the bilge. =3B As we all =3D> know=
=2C sea=3D20> water contains many more microorganisms than fresh water.&nbs=
p=3B I try =3D> to stay=3D20> on top of this=2C purging the bilge manually=
=2C and even using a shop vac =3D> but the=3D20> problem persists.</DIV>> <=
DIV> =3B</DIV>> <DIV>I have tried a number of commercial products=2C bu=
t all seem to =3D> provide=3D20> only very temporary benefits. =3B I am=
looking for your collective=3D20> experience regarding what commerical pro=
duct works well for you=2C or =3D> what home=3D20> brew (diluted bleach sol=
ution?) you might use that is =3D> successful. =3B Thanks=3D20> in adva=
nce for any help you can provide.</DIV>> <DIV> =3B</DIV>> <DIV>John O'C=
onnell</DIV>> <DIV>"Second Wind" - Hull 84</DIV>> <DIV>Annapolis</DIV></BLO=
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'>Re sea-water running into the bilge - when replac=
ing the speed transducer put a wooden bung in the hole that goes through to=
the rest of the bilge=3B have a big sponge handy=2C and a small bucket.&nb=
sp=3B sponge up the small amount of sea-water that gets in=2C (make sure yo=
u take the bung back out - I keep it in the inspection hatch low down on th=
e starboard side=2C with the sponge.) =3B Keeps sea water out of the re=
st of the bilge. =3B =3B I still have a recurring problem with fres=
hwater in the bilge after rain. =3B =3B Partly solved by plugging u=
p the tube that takes electric cables down through the pressure post=2C (I =
have a furling main) =3B =3B =3BUnder heavy rain the water coul=
d not get away from the drain holes at the bottom of the mast. =3B =
=3B Water is still getting in from up forward somewhere - some say the capt=
san=2C may have poor seals around it=2C =3Bbut it is hard to get at.&nb=
sp=3B Any suggestions. =3B =3B The small amount of fresh water left=
after the bilge pump has done its job =3Bgoes off after a while=2C so =
it must be sponged out on a regular basis which is a bit tiresome.<BR>
 =3B<BR>
<BR><STRONG><EM>Tom McGrath</EM></STRONG><BR><STRONG><EM>Whisper II #278</E=
M></STRONG><BR>
<STRONG><EM>Sydney Australia</EM></STRONG><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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>=3B Date: Sat=2C 21 Jun 2008 12:00:02 -0400<BR>>=3B From: c350ia-reque=
st@catalina350.net<BR>>=3B Subject: c350ia digest=2C Vol 1 #384 - 2 msgs<=
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=3B 2. RE: Bilge Cleaner (Andy Sumberg)<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B --__--__--<BR>=
>=3B <BR>>=3B Message: 1<BR>>=3B Date: Sat=2C 21 Jun 2008 06:29:55 -0=
400<BR>>=3B From: Ilene Brandon <=3Bibrandon@optonline.net>=3B<BR>>=
=3B Subject: RE: [c350ia] Bilge Cleaner<BR>>=3B To: jjoc2005@comcast.net=
=2C "'C350 List'" <=3Bc350ia@catalina350.net>=3B<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B T=
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Hi John=2C<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B II put the plug in my=
speed transducer and haven't looked back in four<BR>>=3B years. If you h=
ave GPS set your speed gauge by SOG.<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>&g=
t=3B Fair winds=2C<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B Ron<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B ILENE Cat =
350 #139<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B _____ <BR>>=3B <BR>&g=
t=3B From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.ne=
t] On<BR>>=3B Behalf Of jjoc2005@comcast.net<BR>>=3B Sent: Friday=2C Ju=
ne 20=2C 2008 4:20 PM<BR>>=3B To: C350 List<BR>>=3B Subject: [c350ia] B=
ilge Cleaner<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B Let me start off by=
saying that my bilge has not been=2C is not now=2C nor will<BR>>=3B it e=
ver be completely dry. If I vacuum it out and there is no rain=2C it's<BR>&=
gt=3B close to being dry=2C but that is the rare exception. Dryness is real=
ly not<BR>>=3B my issue=3B cleanliness and elimination or significant red=
uction of foul smell<BR>>=3B are the issues I would like to tackle.<BR>&g=
t=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B I don't know what your dealer told yo=
u about the speed transducer=2C but<BR>>=3B during my shakedown back in 2=
003=2C the dealer recommended that I pull the<BR>>=3B transducer and repl=
ace it with the blank when the boat was not going to be<BR>>=3B used. The=
reason for this was to prevent growth on the impeller. Thus for<BR>>=3B =
most of the hundreds of times I've used the boat in the past five and<BR>&g=
t=3B current season=2C I have done this. No matter how fast you do this=2C =
seawater<BR>>=3B gets into the bilge. As we all know=2C sea water contain=
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of this=2C purging the<BR>>=3B bilge manually=2C and even using a shop v=
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t home brew<BR>>=3B (diluted bleach solution?) you might use that is succ=
essful. Thanks in<BR>>=3B advance for any help you can provide.<BR>>=3B=
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er<=3B/span>=3B<=3B/font>=3B<=3Bo:p>=3B<=3B/o:p>=3B<=3B/p=
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mal>=3B<=3Bfont size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman">=3B<=3Bspan style=
=3D'font-size:<BR>>=3B 12.0pt'>=3BLet me start off by saying that my bi=
lge has not been=2C is not now=2C nor<BR>>=3B will it ever be completely =
dry.&=3Bnbsp=3B If I vacuum it out and there is no rain=2C<BR>>=3B it'=
s close to being dry=2C but that is the rare exception.&=3Bnbsp=3B Dryne=
ss is<BR>>=3B really not my issue=3B cleanliness and elimination or signi=
ficant<BR>>=3B reduction&=3Bnbsp=3Bof foul smell&=3Bnbsp=3Bare the =
issues I would like to tackle.<=3Bo:p>=3B<=3B/o:p>=3B<=3B/span>=
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w Roman">=3B<=3Bspan style=3D'font-size:<BR>>=3B 12.0pt'>=3BI don't=
know what your dealer told you about the speed transducer=2C but<BR>>=3B=
during&=3Bnbsp=3Bmy shakedown back in 2003=2C the dealer recommended th=
at I pull the<BR>>=3B transducer and replace it with the blank when the b=
oat was not going to be<BR>>=3B used.&=3Bnbsp=3B The reason for this w=
as to prevent growth on the<BR>>=3B impeller.&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B=
Thus for most of the hundreds of times I've used the boat<BR>>=3B in the=
past five and current season=2C I have done this.&=3Bnbsp=3B No matter =
how fast<BR>>=3B you do this=2C seawater gets into the bilge.&=3Bnbsp=
=3B As we all know=2C sea water contains<BR>>=3B many more microorganisms=
than fresh water.&=3Bnbsp=3B I try to stay on top of this=2C<BR>>=3B =
purging the bilge manually=2C and even using a shop vac but the problem per=
sists.<=3Bo:p>=3B<=3B/o:p>=3B<=3B/span>=3B<=3B/font>=3B<=
=3B/p>=3B<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <=3B/div>=3B<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <=
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style=3D'font-size:<BR>>=3B 12.0pt'>=3BI have tried a number of commer=
cial products=2C but all seem to provide<BR>>=3B only very temporary bene=
fits.&=3Bnbsp=3B I am looking for your collective experience<BR>>=3B r=
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>>=3B (diluted bleach solution?) you might use that is successful.&=3B=
nbsp=3B Thanks in<BR>>=3B advance for any help you can provide.<=3Bo:p&=
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=3B Date: Sat=2C 21 Jun 2008 08:08:39 -0400<BR>>=3B From: "Andy Sumberg" =
<=3Bandy@sumberg.com>=3B<BR>>=3B Subject: RE: [c350ia] Bilge Cleaner<=
BR>>=3B To: <=3Bjjoc2005@comcast.net>=3B=2C "'C350 List'" <=3Bc350i=
a@catalina350.net>=3B<BR>>=3B Reply-to: <=3Bandy@sumberg.com>=3B<BR=
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r-Encoding: 7bit<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B John=2C<BR>>=3B I too install and r=
emove the transducer every time I take the boat out.<BR>>=3B I change out=
the transducer while at my mooring which introduces less<BR>>=3B water t=
han while underway. Regardless=2C my bilge also always has some<BR>>=3B w=
ater in it. I periodically use commercial bilge cleaner (which smells<BR>&g=
t=3B like pine-sol cleaner) and on occasion have been known to throw in som=
e<BR>>=3B bleach. Most of the time there is no real smell from the water =
in the<BR>>=3B bilge. One thing I do that has not been mentioned=2C is th=
at when I put my<BR>>=3B boat away after a sail=2C I slide the bilge cove=
r board open allowing more<BR>>=3B air to circulate around the bilge whil=
e I'm off the boat. I always run<BR>>=3B my bilge pump before each sail a=
s additional water has accumulated since<BR>>=3B I was last on the boat.<=
BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B Andy Sumberg<BR>>=3B "Portland" #231<BR>>=3B <BR>&=
gt=3B -----Original Message-----<BR>>=3B From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.n=
et [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net]<BR>>=3B On Behalf Of jjoc2005@co=
mcast.net<BR>>=3B Sent: Friday=2C June 20=2C 2008 4:20 PM<BR>>=3B To: C=
350 List<BR>>=3B Subject: [c350ia] Bilge Cleaner<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B <BR=
>>=3B Let me start off by saying that my bilge has not been=2C is not now=
=2C nor<BR>>=3B will it ever be completely dry. If I vacuum it out and th=
ere is no<BR>>=3B rain=2C it's close to being dry=2C but that is the rare=
exception. Dryness<BR>>=3B is really not my issue=3B cleanliness and eli=
mination or significant<BR>>=3B reduction of foul smell are the issues I =
would like to tackle.<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B I don't know what your dealer to=
ld you about the speed transducer=2C but<BR>>=3B during my shakedown back=
in 2003=2C the dealer recommended that I pull the<BR>>=3B transducer and=
replace it with the blank when the boat was not going to<BR>>=3B be used=
. The reason for this was to prevent growth on the impeller.<BR>>=3B Thus=
for most of the hundreds of times I've used the boat in the past<BR>>=3B=
five and current season=2C I have done this. No matter how fast you do<BR>=
>=3B this=2C seawater gets into the bilge. As we all know=2C sea water co=
ntains<BR>>=3B many more microorganisms than fresh water. I try to stay o=
n top of<BR>>=3B this=2C purging the bilge manually=2C and even using a s=
hop vac but the<BR>>=3B problem persists.<BR>>=3B <BR>>=3B I have tri=
ed a number of commercial products=2C but all seem to provide<BR>>=3B onl=
y very temporary benefits. I am looking for your collective<BR>>=3B exper=
ience regarding what commerical product works well for you=2C or what<BR>&g=
t=3B home brew (diluted bleach solution?) you might use that is successful.=
<BR>>=3B Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.<BR>>=3B <BR>&g=
t=3B John O'Connell<BR>>=3B "Second Wind" - Hull 84<BR>>=3B Annapolis<B=
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t=3B <=3BB>=3BOn=3D20<BR>>=3B Behalf Of <=3B/B>=3Bjjoc2005@comcas=
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=3D<BR>>=3B 2008 4:20=3D20<BR>>=3B PM<=3BBR>=3B<=3BB>=3BTo:<=
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0ia] Bilge=3D20<BR>>=3B Cleaner<=3BBR>=3B<=3BBR>=3B<=3B/FONT>=
=3B<=3B/DIV>=3B<BR>>=3B <=3BDIV>=3BLet me start off by saying tha=
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