[c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
Ilene Brandon
ibrandon@optonline.net
Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:43:23 -0400
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Hi John,
We have hull #239. It came equipped with a Garhauer lock and a cleat on the
mast. We use the spare lock in the cockpit for the jib.
Fair winds,
Ron & Ilene
Cat 350 #239
Ilene
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From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] On
Behalf Of jjoc2005@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:03 PM
To: Art Torino; 'WILLIAM VANWAGONER'; andy@sumberg.com; 'Al Szymanski';
c350ia@catalina350.net
Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
At what hull number did a mast cleat become a stock item? I had one
installed on my mast, primarily for the spinnaker, but it does come in handy
when I put my full-battened main back on in the spring. I keep my main
halyard on the starboard grab rail, just behind the vertical support.
The only thing that I found attractive about an in-mast furling main was the
ability to have "infinite" reef points. That was not enough to include it
when I purchased. I did get the electric winch to assist in raising the
main, which comes in very hand when I am single-handing.
John O'Connell
"Second Wind" - Hull 84
Annapolis
(Still trying to figure out where the 80-micron fuel filter is on my engine.
I know where it is on the later boats, but unless it's inside some housing
or other appurtenance, I can't find it.)
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From: "Art Torino" <atorino@comcast.net>
Bill - thanks for the informative email. I was wondering why you brought
the main halyard back to the cockpit. Do you adjust it to help with sail
shape while underway? I keep mine fully tightened and its tied off on the
mast cleat that is supplied stock with the boat.
Art
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From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] On
Behalf Of WILLIAM VANWAGONER
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:14 AM
To: andy@sumberg.com; 'Al Szymanski'; c350ia@catalina350.net
Subject: Re: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
I have been sailing my furling main equipped 350 on a weekly basis during
the summers, and typically once or twice each month in the winter since it
was new in 2004 (hull #229). and have never had a problem with jamming, or
with putting the sail on and off (thought my main halyard is run through a
block at the base of the mast back to a rope clutch starboard of the
companionway hatch).
I was also very apprehensive about the in-mast furling that came with my
boat, as I had been used to a full battened main with backstay adjustor etc.
After four years with this new arrangement, I can say while I miss the
ability to achieve optimum sail shape, the simplicity (single handed safety)
more than makes up for it. In addition, I don't think performance suffers
either as most of the power comes from the genoa. I had no problem leaving
a Catalina 36 equipped with a nice set of sails including a fully battened
main in my wake. The one thing I have learned is to have the topping lift
fully tightened (aft end of boom lifted up) when pulling out or rolling up
the sail as it goes much smoother. Given the ease of this system (I single
hand more often than I take crew), I would not go back to a traditiona! l
main.
Bill Van Wagoner #229
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy <mailto:andy@sumberg.com> Sumberg
To: 'Al <mailto:aszy@mac.com> Szymanski' ; c350ia@catalina350.net
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
All,
I've enjoyed all the discussion about how well the in-mast furling
system works. Call me old fashion, I like the shape (and performance) of
the regular main. To be honest, I've never sailed a 350 with in-mast
furling so it is hard to compare. I figure when I can no longer raise
the main by hand I'll install an electric winch. Reefing with the
regular main seems to be more work, but can still be done from the
cockpit. I do have to go forward to attach/detach the halyard and put
on/take off the sail cover. I don't have to go forward while under way.
Andy Sumberg
#231 "Portland"
-----Original Message-----
From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net]
On Behalf Of Ilene Brandon
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:16 PM
To: 'Al Szymanski'; c350ia@catalina350.net
Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
Hi Al,
We will never buy a boat without one. I was the resistant one. We also
have an electric coach top winch, makes life easy.
Fair winds,
Ron & Ilene Brandon
Cat 350 #139 Ilene
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From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net]
On Behalf Of Al Szymanski
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:21 PM
To: c350i a@catalina350.net <mailto:c350ia@catalina350.net!%0d%0a%20>
Subject: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
Well... time is drawing near. We have accepted an offer on the house,
thus will be purchasing our dream - a Catalina 350. There's one in
Seattle right now and with one exception is the boat for us. The
exception is the in mast furling system. My wife and I have shied
away from that arrangement for mostly simplicity reasons - thinking
that the system is "just one more thing to break". Heck.. my current
vessel has a hank on jib and I use a sextant ! So.. we'd be very
interested in everyone's observations on the system - I do recall a
recent post of one that jammed up and would not allow the sail to be
furled.
Standing by,
Al Szymanski
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We have hull #239. It came equipped with
a Garhauer lock and a cleat on the mast. We use the spare lock in the cockpit
for the jib.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Fair winds,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ron & Ilene<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cat 350 #239<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ilene<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia-admin@catalina350.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>jjoc2005@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:03
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Art Torino; 'WILLIAM
VANWAGONER'; andy@sumberg.com; 'Al Szymanski'; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia@catalina350.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia] A question about in mast furling...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At what hull number did a mast cleat become a stock item? I had
one installed on my mast, primarily for the spinnaker, but it does come in
handy when I put my full-battened main back on in the spring. I keep
my main halyard on the starboard grab rail, just behind the vertical support.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The only thing that I found attractive about an in-mast furling main
was the ability to have "infinite" reef points. That was not
enough to include it when I purchased. I did get the electric winch to
assist in raising the main, which comes in very hand when I am single-handing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>John O'Connell<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"Second Wind" - Hull 84<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>(Still trying to figure out where the 80-micron fuel filter is on my
engine. I know where it is on the later boats, but unless it's inside
some housing or other appurtenance, I can't find it.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
From: "Art Torino" <atorino@comcast.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill – thanks for the informative
email. I was wondering why you brought the main halyard back to the
cockpit. Do you adjust it to help with sail shape while underway? I
keep mine fully tightened and its tied off on the mast cleat that is supplied
stock with the boat.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Art<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia-admin@catalina350.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>WILLIAM VANWAGONER<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:14
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> andy@sumberg.com; 'Al
Szymanski'; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia@catalina350.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia] A question about in mast furling...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I have been
sailing my furling main equipped 350 on a weekly basis during the summers,
and typically once or twice each month in the winter since it was new in 2004
(hull #229). and have never had a problem with jamming, or with putting the
sail on and off (thought my main halyard is run through a block at
the base of the mast back to a rope clutch starboard of the companionway
hatch). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I was also very
apprehensive about the in-mast furling that came with my boat, as I had been
used to a full battened main with backstay adjustor etc. After four years
with this new arrangement, I can say while I miss the ability to achieve
optimum sail shape, the simplicity (single handed safety) more than makes
up for it. In addition, I don't think performance suffers either as most
of the power comes from the genoa. I had no problem leaving a
Catalina 36 equipped with a nice set of sails including a fully battened main
in my wake. The one thing I have learned is to have the topping lift
fully tightened (aft end of boom lifted up) when pulling out or rolling up
the sail as it goes much smoother. Given the ease of this system (I
single hand more often than I take crew), I would not go back to a traditiona!
l main. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Bill Van Wagoner #229<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:andy@sumberg.com" title="mailto:andy@sumberg.com">Andy
Sumberg</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:aszy@mac.com" title="mailto:aszy@mac.com">'Al
Szymanski'</a> ; <a href="mailto:c350ia@catalina350.net"
title="mailto:c350ia@catalina350.net">c350ia@catalina350.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black'> Monday, June 09, 2008 8:27 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> RE: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia] A
question about in mast furling...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>All,<br>
I've enjoyed all the discussion about how well the in-mast furling<br>
system works. Call me old fashion, I like the shape (and performance) of<br>
the regular main. To be honest, I've never sailed a 350 with in-mast<br>
furling so it is hard to compare. I figure when I can no longer raise<br>
the main by hand I'll install an electric winch. Reefing with the<br>
regular main seems to be more work, but can still be done from the<br>
cockpit. I do have to go forward to attach/detach the halyard and put<br>
on/take off the sail cover. I don't have to go forward while under way.<br>
<br>
Andy Sumberg<br>
#231 "<u1:City u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Portland</u1:place></u1:City></st1:place></st1:City>"<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net" title!=mailto
:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net>c350ia-admin@catalina350.net</a> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia-admin@catalina350.net]<br>
On Behalf Of Ilene Brandon<br>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:16 PM<br>
To: 'Al Szymanski'; <a href="mailto:c350ia@catalina350.net"
title="mailto:c350ia@catalina350.net">c350ia@catalina350.net</a><br>
Subject: RE: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia] A question
about in mast furling...<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi Al,<br>
<br>
We will never buy a boat without one. I was the resistant one. We
also<br>
have an electric coach top winch, makes life easy.<br>
<br>
Fair winds,<br>
<br>
Ron & Ilene Brandon<br>
Cat 350 #139 Ilene<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Behalf Of Al Szymanski<br>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:21 PM<br>
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Subject: [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">c350</st1:PersonName>ia] A question about
in mast furling...<br>
<br>
Well... time is drawing near. We have accepted an offer on the house, <br>
thus will be purchasing our dream - a <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Catalina 350</st1:PersonName>.
There's one in <br>
<u1:City u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Seattle</u1:place></u1:City></st1:place></st1:City>
right now and with one exception is the boat for us. The <br>
exception is the in mast furling system. My wife and I have shied <br>
away from that arrangement for mostly simplicity reasons - thinking <br>
that the system is "just one more thing to break". Heck.. my
current <br>
vessel has a hank on jib and I use a sextant ! So.. we'd be very <br>
interested in everyone's observations on the system - I do recall a <br>
recent post of one that jammed up and would not allow the sail to be <br>
furled.<br>
Standing by,<br>
<br>
Al Szymanski<br>
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