[c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
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Andy--
During my shakedown back in 2003, the dealer indicated to me that the Dutchman system needed to be "eased" (loosened) after the main was up to reduce strain on it and decrease the possibility of chafing on the main from the two Dutchman lines. So while I understand why you had the slits placed in the sail cover, I still think you need to "contort" yourself, as I always do, to ease the system. Perhaps you do this, but it isn't clear from your message.
BTW, I've had work done on both of my sails by a local sailmaker. He's done work on the main twice and each time has tried to sell me on lazy jacks or a Doyle system; he is not a big fan of the Dutchman. His primary issue is chafing of the sails.
I was just out over the weekend on Delaware Bay and the Atlantic Ocean with a close friend who just took possession of a custom-built boat. He has the lazy jacks system and it seems to be pretty simple. So I may consider converting in the future.
John O'Connell
"Second Wind" - Hull 84
Annapolis
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From: "Andy Sumberg" <andy@sumberg.com>
> Mike,
> This past winter I had two slits placed in the sail cover at the locations
> of the Dutchman monofilament lines. The result, I no longer have to raise
> and lower the Dutchman lines every time I go out. What a savings in body
> contortion! I now do my stretching exercises at the gym.
>
> Andy Sumberg
> #231 "Portland"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] On
> Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:25 PM
> To: c350ia@catalina350.net
> Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
>
> I did sail my Cat 350 with both in mast and full batten mains.
>
> Part of my deal on buying hull 149 is the dealer would replace the in mast
> furling that came with the boat with a full batten main mast. I had 4 weeks
> with the in mast and now 4 years with the full batten main.
>
> No question the full batten main sails better, about 20% more sail area and
> a better controlled shape. Based on wind conditions, I would say a .2-.5KT
> difference in typical 10-15 knot winds I get on Lake Ontario.
>
> Of course it is more difficult to manage, I am standing on the cockpit table
> every time I put the sail up and take it down to adjust the Dutchman system
> and put on the sail cover. The in mast furling was easy to use and seemed to
> work well as long as you were pointing upwind when you wound it up.
>
> I am happy with my decision (plus the free under deck autopilot I got in
> exchange for the $3000 in mast furling price at the time)
>
> Mike
> C350 #149
>
> Mike Dwyer
> Day 585-475-2698
> Home 585-787-9686
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] On
> Behalf Of Andy Sumberg
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:28 PM
> To: 'Al Szymanski'; c350ia@catalina350.net
> Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
>
> All,
> I've enjoyed all the discussion about how well the in-mast furling
> system works. Call me old fashion, I like the shape (and performance) of
> the regular main. To be honest, I've never sailed a 350 with in-mast
> furling so it is hard to compare. I figure when I can no longer raise
> the main by hand I'll install an electric winch. Reefing with the
> regular main seems to be more work, but can still be done from the
> cockpit. I do have to go forward to attach/detach the halyard and put
> on/take off the sail cover. I don't have to go forward while under way.
>
> Andy Sumberg
> #231 "Portland"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net]
> On Behalf Of Ilene Brandon
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:16 PM
> To: 'Al Szymanski'; c350ia@catalina350.net
> Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> We will never buy a boat without one. I was the resistant one. We also
> have an electric coach top winch, makes life easy.
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Ron & Ilene Brandon
> Cat 350 #139 Ilene
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net]
> On Behalf Of Al Szymanski
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:21 PM
> To: c350ia@catalina350.net
> Subject: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling...
>
> Well... time is drawing near. We have accepted an offer on the house,
> thus will be purchasing our dream - a Catalina 350. There's one in
> Seattle right now and with one exception is the boat for us. The
> exception is the in mast furling system. My wife and I have shied
> away from that arrangement for mostly simplicity reasons - thinking
> that the system is "just one more thing to break". Heck.. my current
> vessel has a hank on jib and I use a sextant ! So.. we'd be very
> interested in everyone's observations on the system - I do recall a
> recent post of one that jammed up and would not allow the sail to be
> furled.
> Standing by,
>
> Al Szymanski
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<DIV>Andy--</DIV>
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<DIV>During my shakedown back in 2003, the dealer indicated to me that the Dutchman system needed to be "eased" (loosened) after the main was up to reduce strain on it and decrease the possibility of chafing on the main from the two Dutchman lines. So while I understand why you had the slits placed in the sail cover, I still think you need to "contort" yourself, as I always do, to ease the system. Perhaps you do this, but it isn't clear from your message.</DIV>
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<DIV>BTW, I've had work done on both of my sails by a local sailmaker. He's done work on the main twice and each time has tried to sell me on lazy jacks or a Doyle system; he is not a big fan of the Dutchman. His primary issue is chafing of the sails. </DIV>
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<DIV>I was just out over the weekend on Delaware Bay and the Atlantic Ocean with a close friend who just took possession of a custom-built boat. He has the lazy jacks system and it seems to be pretty simple. So I may consider converting in the future.</DIV>
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<DIV>John O'Connell</DIV>
<DIV>"Second Wind" - Hull 84</DIV>
<DIV>Annapolis</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Andy Sumberg" <andy@sumberg.com> <BR><BR>> Mike, <BR>> This past winter I had two slits placed in the sail cover at the locations <BR>> of the Dutchman monofilament lines. The result, I no longer have to raise <BR>> and lower the Dutchman lines every time I go out. What a savings in body <BR>> contortion! I now do my stretching exercises at the gym. <BR>> <BR>> Andy Sumberg <BR>> #231 "Portland" <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] On <BR>> Behalf Of Mike Dwyer <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:25 PM <BR>> To: c350ia@catalina350.net <BR>> Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling... <BR>> <BR>> I did sail my Cat 350 with both in mast and full batten mains. <BR>> <BR>> Part o!
f my de
al on buying hull 149 is the dealer would replace the in mast <BR>> furling that came with the boat with a full batten main mast. I had 4 weeks <BR>> with the in mast and now 4 years with the full batten main. <BR>> <BR>> No question the full batten main sails better, about 20% more sail area and <BR>> a better controlled shape. Based on wind conditions, I would say a .2-.5KT <BR>> difference in typical 10-15 knot winds I get on Lake Ontario. <BR>> <BR>> Of course it is more difficult to manage, I am standing on the cockpit table <BR>> every time I put the sail up and take it down to adjust the Dutchman system <BR>> and put on the sail cover. The in mast furling was easy to use and seemed to <BR>> work well as long as you were pointing upwind when you wound it up. <BR>> <BR>> I am happy with my decision (plus the free under deck autopilot I got in <BR>> exchange for the $3000 in mast furling price at the time) <BR>> <BR>> Mike !
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; C350 #149 <BR>> <BR>> Mike Dwyer <BR>> Day 585-475-2698 <BR>> Home 585-787-9686 <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] On <BR>> Behalf Of Andy Sumberg <BR>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:28 PM <BR>> To: 'Al Szymanski'; c350ia@catalina350.net <BR>> Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling... <BR>> <BR>> All, <BR>> I've enjoyed all the discussion about how well the in-mast furling <BR>> system works. Call me old fashion, I like the shape (and performance) of <BR>> the regular main. To be honest, I've never sailed a 350 with in-mast <BR>> furling so it is hard to compare. I figure when I can no longer raise <BR>> the main by hand I'll install an electric winch. Reefing with the <BR>> regular main seems to be more work, but can still be done from the <BR>> cockpit. I do have to go forward to attach/detach the halyard and put <BR>> !
on/take
off the sail cover. I don't have to go forward while under way. <BR>> <BR>> Andy Sumberg <BR>> #231 "Portland" <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] <BR>> On Behalf Of Ilene Brandon <BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:16 PM <BR>> To: 'Al Szymanski'; c350ia@catalina350.net <BR>> Subject: RE: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling... <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Hi Al, <BR>> <BR>> We will never buy a boat without one. I was the resistant one. We also <BR>> have an electric coach top winch, makes life easy. <BR>> <BR>> Fair winds, <BR>> <BR>> Ron & Ilene Brandon <BR>> Cat 350 #139 Ilene <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: c350ia-admin@catalina350.net [mailto:c350ia-admin@catalina350.net] <BR>> On Behalf Of Al Szymanski <BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:21 PM <BR>> To: c350ia@cata!
lina350
.net <BR>> Subject: [c350ia] A question about in mast furling... <BR>> <BR>> Well... time is drawing near. We have accepted an offer on the house, <BR>> thus will be purchasing our dream - a Catalina 350. There's one in <BR>> Seattle right now and with one exception is the boat for us. The <BR>> exception is the in mast furling system. My wife and I have shied <BR>> away from that arrangement for mostly simplicity reasons - thinking <BR>> that the system is "just one more thing to break". Heck.. my current <BR>> vessel has a hank on jib and I use a sextant ! So.. we'd be very <BR>> interested in everyone's observations on the system - I do recall a <BR>> recent post of one that jammed up and would not allow the sail to be <BR>> furled. <BR>> Standing by, <BR>> <BR>> Al Szymanski <BR>> _______________________________________________ <BR>> c350ia mailing list <BR>> c350ia@catalina350.net <BR>> http://www.catalina350.net/!
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